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queenrileyThis is my livejournal. Mine. Not yours. I do not write in it for you or anyone else. I write in it for myself. This is a place for me to write down my thoughts, my opinions, my ideas. I do not write here to impress anybody. I do not write here to force my views on others. I write here for ME. If you don't like what I have to say, there is a very simple solution. DON'T READ IT.
but you are naive and have no place to sit at your computer and read CNN news and think that you have any credibility to say anything about a war that you have no part in.
Then what gives you the right to say anything about a war you have no part in? If you are so gung-ho, and if you know everything about this war, why don't you go join the army, navy, anything... go join the military and go over there and fight.
Don't tell me I'm naive about this war. Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't just watch CNN news. I read the Houston Chronicle, The New York Times, The Guardian, The National Post, and I have somebody helping me read German papers. I watch CNN and MSNBC. I read published works, from all viewpoints, on Iraq and it's history, on the middle east and it's history, and on Saddam. I am learning all I can about the first Gulf war and seeking articles and anything I can get my hands on about this war. Do not tell me I am uneducated. You are not any more educated about this than I am.
Cry all you want for those troops, but they had the fortitude to actually stand up and do what they thought was right
I never said they didn't. I simply said I was sorry for the loss of human life. What is so wrong about me not wanting other people to die?
If I were you, I'd start listening to your husband.
I do listen to my husband. I listen to everything he has to say about this war. And I respect his views. I do not try to tell him he's wrong. I do not tell him he needs to learn more. And you know what? He listens to me. I don't try to convert him to the side of wanting this war to end soon, because that would be pointless and DISRESPECTFUL to his views. I listen to him and he listens to me.
Do you know why I listen to him? Because he doesn't make me feel stupid. He doesn't make me feel like I don't know what I'm talking about, even if I have sources to back up what I say, just as you do. Jeff does not judge me for not wanting this war. Jeff does not judge me for what I say. He listens, and yes he does disagree, but he does not judge. Not like you.
Maybe he'll have what it takes to put you in your place.
Put me in my place? And what place would that be?
I live in the United States. It is a great country, as I have said. It is a superpower. I am glad to live in a country that gives me the freedoms I have. And one of those freedoms is the freedom of speech. I have a right to say what I feel and believe without forcing it on others, which is exactly what I do here. I say what I think and feel and I don't force it on others. I don't ridicule you or Jeff for believing in this war. I don't set out to be mean or insulting simply because my opinion differs from yours. I respect your opinions. I read everything you send me regarding the war. I read both pro-war and anti-war speeches. All I ever asked from you was the same respect I have extended to you. Agree to disagree. But apparently you can't do that. Apparently you feel the need to convert me to your beliefs on this war.
I am not naive, not anymore than you are. I am not rubbing your face in the fact that I would rather live in England or Canada. You love America and that's fine. I love it too. I just don't happen to want to live here, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Before you attack me again, Jeremy, you need to read back a few days. You need to read back and see what I have said. You need to ask me my views and maybe actually listen this time. I have my reasons. If you bothered to look or even listen to me, you would realize that I do support our troops in Iraq. You would realize that while I may not like this war, I know I can't do anything to stop it and now that it's started, I don't want to stop it. If you bothered to listen to other people for a change, maybe you would realize that I am educated, that I do have my sources, and that I WANT the Iraqi people to be free. You would realize that I already said Saddam needs to not be in power. You would already realize that I agree war is probably the only thing that would get him out of power. But just because it HAD to happen doesn't mean I like that it did happen. Just because it HAD to happen doesn't mean I like the fact that people on both sides are dying. And I am well aware of the fact that Saddam is using innocent civilians as human shields, and if you bothered to look, you'd realize I hate the man for it. I hate him. I want him out of power and gone. I want the Iraqi people to have the freedom we have. And yes, I have said I realize war is about the only thing that stupid man would listen to. I realize there will never be world peace. But if you bothered to listen to me you would have realized that I said while I know it will never happen, that doesn't stop me from wishing people didn't have to die, from wishing we could have no more wars.
I would appreciate it if you no longer attack me in my own livejournal. Say what you want about me in yours. Be ashamed of me. Be angry at me. That's fine. That is your right. You can hate me all you want. But please respect the fact that I have never attacked you in your journal, that I realize what you say in your journal is YOUR OWN beliefs and ideas, and is not there to make others happy. The only thing I ever said rude or mean to you in your own journal was in self defense. I have not and will not attack your ideas, your beliefs, your opinions. Please do the same for me from now on.
but you are naive and have no place to sit at your computer and read CNN news and think that you have any credibility to say anything about a war that you have no part in.
Then what gives you the right to say anything about a war you have no part in? If you are so gung-ho, and if you know everything about this war, why don't you go join the army, navy, anything... go join the military and go over there and fight.
Don't tell me I'm naive about this war. Don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't just watch CNN news. I read the Houston Chronicle, The New York Times, The Guardian, The National Post, and I have somebody helping me read German papers. I watch CNN and MSNBC. I read published works, from all viewpoints, on Iraq and it's history, on the middle east and it's history, and on Saddam. I am learning all I can about the first Gulf war and seeking articles and anything I can get my hands on about this war. Do not tell me I am uneducated. You are not any more educated about this than I am.
Cry all you want for those troops, but they had the fortitude to actually stand up and do what they thought was right
I never said they didn't. I simply said I was sorry for the loss of human life. What is so wrong about me not wanting other people to die?
If I were you, I'd start listening to your husband.
I do listen to my husband. I listen to everything he has to say about this war. And I respect his views. I do not try to tell him he's wrong. I do not tell him he needs to learn more. And you know what? He listens to me. I don't try to convert him to the side of wanting this war to end soon, because that would be pointless and DISRESPECTFUL to his views. I listen to him and he listens to me.
Do you know why I listen to him? Because he doesn't make me feel stupid. He doesn't make me feel like I don't know what I'm talking about, even if I have sources to back up what I say, just as you do. Jeff does not judge me for not wanting this war. Jeff does not judge me for what I say. He listens, and yes he does disagree, but he does not judge. Not like you.
Maybe he'll have what it takes to put you in your place.
Put me in my place? And what place would that be?
I live in the United States. It is a great country, as I have said. It is a superpower. I am glad to live in a country that gives me the freedoms I have. And one of those freedoms is the freedom of speech. I have a right to say what I feel and believe without forcing it on others, which is exactly what I do here. I say what I think and feel and I don't force it on others. I don't ridicule you or Jeff for believing in this war. I don't set out to be mean or insulting simply because my opinion differs from yours. I respect your opinions. I read everything you send me regarding the war. I read both pro-war and anti-war speeches. All I ever asked from you was the same respect I have extended to you. Agree to disagree. But apparently you can't do that. Apparently you feel the need to convert me to your beliefs on this war.
I am not naive, not anymore than you are. I am not rubbing your face in the fact that I would rather live in England or Canada. You love America and that's fine. I love it too. I just don't happen to want to live here, and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Before you attack me again, Jeremy, you need to read back a few days. You need to read back and see what I have said. You need to ask me my views and maybe actually listen this time. I have my reasons. If you bothered to look or even listen to me, you would realize that I do support our troops in Iraq. You would realize that while I may not like this war, I know I can't do anything to stop it and now that it's started, I don't want to stop it. If you bothered to listen to other people for a change, maybe you would realize that I am educated, that I do have my sources, and that I WANT the Iraqi people to be free. You would realize that I already said Saddam needs to not be in power. You would already realize that I agree war is probably the only thing that would get him out of power. But just because it HAD to happen doesn't mean I like that it did happen. Just because it HAD to happen doesn't mean I like the fact that people on both sides are dying. And I am well aware of the fact that Saddam is using innocent civilians as human shields, and if you bothered to look, you'd realize I hate the man for it. I hate him. I want him out of power and gone. I want the Iraqi people to have the freedom we have. And yes, I have said I realize war is about the only thing that stupid man would listen to. I realize there will never be world peace. But if you bothered to listen to me you would have realized that I said while I know it will never happen, that doesn't stop me from wishing people didn't have to die, from wishing we could have no more wars.
I would appreciate it if you no longer attack me in my own livejournal. Say what you want about me in yours. Be ashamed of me. Be angry at me. That's fine. That is your right. You can hate me all you want. But please respect the fact that I have never attacked you in your journal, that I realize what you say in your journal is YOUR OWN beliefs and ideas, and is not there to make others happy. The only thing I ever said rude or mean to you in your own journal was in self defense. I have not and will not attack your ideas, your beliefs, your opinions. Please do the same for me from now on.
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Good for you!
Date: 2003-03-25 01:41 pm (UTC)~ami~
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Date: 2003-03-25 02:14 pm (UTC)I wish I could put it better than that, but I do admire the courage it takes to write something like that and am honoured to know you. Thankyou.
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Date: 2003-03-25 02:15 pm (UTC)Hello? Is this guy from the 50s?
His credibility is absolutely shot with me.
DR Catherine Schaff-Stump
who's come a long way baby!
ps Aku consigns him to the Pit of Hate
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Date: 2003-03-25 02:21 pm (UTC)Thanks for the support.
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Date: 2003-03-25 02:34 pm (UTC)Anyone who says things like that has other issues going on besides a disagreement with your analysis of the war. I bet he doesn't get it often, either. (Pardon me for being crude, but I'm angry for you).
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Date: 2003-03-25 02:38 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-03-25 02:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-03-25 03:17 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-03-25 03:28 pm (UTC)(You, that is.)
And let's face it, he was just plain rude. Tsk.
*clap clap*
Date: 2003-03-25 03:42 pm (UTC)Maybe he'll have what it takes to put you in your place.
Put me in my place? And what place would that be?
He's going to move with you to Canada for the free health care! Woo! :) Yeah for health care! And lower cost of prescription drugs! And Micheal J. Fox and Alex Trebek! :)
If I were you, I'd start listening to your husband.
I do listen to my husband. I listen to everything he has to say about this war. And I respect his views. I do not try to tell him he's wrong. I do not tell him he needs to learn more. And you know what? He listens to me. I don't try to convert him to the side of wanting this war to end soon, because that would be pointless and DISRESPECTFUL to his views. I listen to him and he listens to me.
Beautifully said. Marriage is not supposed to be a one sided affair of one person takes and takes and takes and the other gives and gives and gives. Marriage is composed of two individuals who each bring something unique to give to the relationship who have to constantly work at their relationship and made of two people who are fundamentally different. If you give in totally on all issues, that isn't healthy and since marriage involves two people, erm... yes.... I can't quite articulate what I want to say other than two people can have two seperate ideas and both be all right and have marriages work. Totally giving in or shutting out all aspect of issues like this isn't healthy and can add a lot of stress.
That all said, I am opposed to the police action and I really pray that we won't pass that bill through congress. Do you realize how far $72.4 billion would go towards Head Start? George Bush cut a lot of funding for this program that is a proven WINNER. IT WORKS and it really has a positive effect on people's lives and George Bush CUT THE FUNDING and now he wants $72.4 BILLION for a stupid pointless war that he hasn't convinced me that we need?
(And his "off the cuff" speaking annoys me. He comes off looking so stupid with his uhs, etc.)
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Date: 2003-03-25 08:08 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2003-03-26 12:50 am (UTC)percival
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Date: 2003-03-26 02:32 am (UTC)stay true and stand up for what you belive in.
From a Sailor
Date: 2003-03-26 05:03 am (UTC)I fully stand up for your right to say and believe what you want. Just keep in mind that there are a lot of us over in harms way that don't definatly believe in the cause either. The weight is with the policy makers, not the grunts in the field. This is a very close issue with me considering I deal with it on almost a daily basis. I will always love you and stand by you.
Sean
P.S. I've been deployed, but you can still write me at my hotmail address. I promise I will write back
Re: From a Sailor
Date: 2003-03-26 05:33 am (UTC)It's not the war I don't support, it's they way Bush is handling the general public about this war. And it's the fact that people are dying. I don't like people dying. I don't like knowing that my friends and family could be dead tomorrow.
I am supporting the troops over there. They are doing their jobs and I am proud of all of you (my rude comment in a previous post was mostly about the US shooting down the British helicopter and the fact that the news reporters here were laughing about it).
I've been wondering where you were. You hadn't written me back in awhile, and I figured you had either already been sent or would be soon. I'll write you in a little bit.
Keep safe.
Sorry
Date: 2003-03-26 09:08 am (UTC)HAHA
Date: 2003-03-26 09:43 am (UTC)I know what your belifs are, Christine. I've discussed them with you before. I've always been respectful before, why would I just be mean now? I wasn't being mean. I was just really hurt. I'm very close to this, my nation and I really hate to see it slandered and it's name dragged through the mud. I love you and your penchant for speaking your mind, but I REALLY couldn't stand by and watch someone speak to other nations as an American, when I know for a fact that she doesn't want to live here. I AM VERY sorry for the "husband" comments. You know for a fact that I'd NEVER tell you to listen to Jeff and be serious. I know him better than that. Hee hee. I was HOPING that you'd see the humor in that comment, knowing me.
To all QR's buddies: I am sorry. I get zealous. It's part of being a male. Testosterone and whatnot.
Re: HAHA
Date: 2003-03-27 08:50 am (UTC)But all is forgiven. I understand why you did it, as I realized what I said was rather more rude than I meant it to be. And I know you. You are not one to sit idly by and ignore something, even if it wasn't directed at your or someone you love. It is one of the things I admire about you and one of the reasons I'm glad you are with Bevin... because she's like me. She keeps her beliefs, but she often doesn't stand up for herself (and let me tell you how shocked I am at myself... I don't think I've ever stood up for myself like that before... it felt kind of nice). That's why she needs you to help her.
So I agree not to discuss the war with you and not to reply to war posts in your journal if you agree to do the same for me. We don't talk about the war to each other. Ever again. Period. No exceptions. I will happily skip your posts on war (unless they have links to newstories and such) if you will happily skip mine. I won't comment on yours, if you won't comment on mine. No more of this mess.